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Winker Posted on 11/01/2017 21:27
Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?
 
 
I think the most we ever received was ironically 12 million for Downing from Villa.
Last season That lot up the road got 30 million for Sissoko and 25 million for Wijnaldum and that was from a relegated team.
5 years ago the Mackems got 18 million for Bent and 16 mil for Henderson.
I suppose Ben Gibson would command our biggest fee if we were to sell ( god forbid) but I'd like to see us hard-balling a bit better with other clubs, especially if they want players like Rhodes and Downing.
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teessider7 Posted on 11/01/2017 21:28

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I think we got at least 15 m for juninho
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Winker Posted on 11/01/2017 21:31

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Nah - 12,000,000 - which was about half of what we should have got

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Hercules Posted on 11/01/2017 21:35

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Yeah but Leeds only got 2.5m for Cantona so I think we do quite well.

Pointless comparing transfers years apart such is the inflationary nature of transfers fees in football.
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WillMunny Posted on 11/01/2017 21:36

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Winker - are you aware of the concepts of time and inflation?

We've sold plenty of players for good money over the years, but the fact is when we were last in the Premier League, transfer fees were a lot lower than they are now. I mean A LOT lower. 7/8 years ago, 30m bought you a superstar. Now it buys you a Benteke. 7/8 years ago, 50m would have been a new PL transfer record, but now it buys you a Sterling or a Stones. If you want World Class, you are looking at 75m+ nowadays.

When you factor that inflation in and remember that we were a Championship club for 7 seasons, is it really a surprise that we haven't been flogging players for 25m+? Yet we've still had some cracking sales, with Joe Bennett for 4m probably the stand out!
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ILOVEJUNINHO! Posted on 11/01/2017 21:36

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
How much did Everton pay us for Yakubu?
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2017 21:41

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We got 5m for Joe Bennett, 5m for reach and a rumoured 5m for Adomah.

Not astronomical but decent money for bang average players, when we get a player that becomes worth 30m then we will get big money, Gibson will go for at least that much.

The simple answer is we haven't had one worth 30m.
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Winker Posted on 11/01/2017 21:43

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I understand about inflation, which is why I am surprised that 12 million is the most we've ever received, you would have thought we'd have scooped 20 mil for someone by now.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 11/01/2017 21:43
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Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
"12,000,000 - which was about half of what we should have got"

It was 1997. That would have made it a world record fee is he went for 24m as you're suggesting. As much as we love Juninho, he was not one of the world's top players at any point and not going to command a world record fee.

12m was a good fee for him then, that was almost 20 years ago.
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1finny Posted on 11/01/2017 21:44

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Gibson will get us that - then you can stop worrying
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Billyashcroftsperm Posted on 11/01/2017 21:49

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We got 5m for Joe Bennett

But we never though, we got nearer half that.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2017 21:50

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We've been in the championship since getting that 12m though, even now it's tough going having a player good enough to be worth 20m. People's expectations are far to high.
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WillMunny Posted on 11/01/2017 21:51

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
"you would have thought we'd have scooped 20 mil for someone by now. "

Why? Which Championship clubs sell players for 20m? And before you say Newcastle, they were a PL club who were relegated and sold off their prize assets. If we are relegated (we won't be [;)]) then we might do the same and get 25m for Gibson, 15m for Forshaw and 75m for Traore! [:D]
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El_Capitano_28 Posted on 11/01/2017 21:52

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
'you would have thought we'd have scooped 20 mil for someone by now.'

Who? Nicky Bailey? Lee Tomlin? Curtis Main?
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wyliefan Posted on 11/01/2017 21:53

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We got 2.5M for Pally which was a big fee at the time.

Cantona i'm sure only went for 1M
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Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 11/01/2017 21:55

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We've been involved in record deals for most of our history.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2017 21:55

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Juninho played at no.10 in a World Cup final which Brazil won.

Let me repeat that, he played up front, for Brazil, in a World Cup winning team.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your dodgy argument that he wasn't one of the worlds top players.
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free_pint Posted on 11/01/2017 21:57

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Why would anyone care?
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2017 22:20

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I've always thought about Juninho that when you watch him play and compare him to messi and ronaldo is there that much difference?

I can't really remember Juninho in his proper season here with ravanelli so I've only really seen highlights rather than live games, but compare the highlights and he's not far off.

Maybe he lacked things I never noticed by not seeing him live or something but also don't forget he wasn't playing for the worlds best team surrounded by the best players.

Have I got it stupidly wrong and he was no where near as good, or was he just really underrated because he only played for boro?
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Born_again_Freebird Posted on 11/01/2017 22:26

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
We got 1.6 million for Kernaghan twenty odd years ago - now that has got to be neigh on the biggest swindle in football ever [:D]
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WillMunny Posted on 11/01/2017 22:52

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
JL - I'm not very objective when it comes to Juninho, but in my opinion there was a period after he left us when he was right up there with the best in the world at that time. Admittedly the period wasn't very long as Salgado crocked him, but for 5 months him and Vieri were simply amazing together for Atletico.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2017 22:53

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Juninho did not get the recognition he deserved because he did not play for an establishment club either here or in Spain.

Fantastic player with the quickest feet you have ever seen. When Juninho surged forward at speed defences panicked and anything was possible. He had a superb partnership with Ravanelli.

Critics would say he was too small and unable to go around kicking people in the midfield. But Zola was small as well but that was alright because he played for Chelsea. Juninho was a better footballer than Zola any day of the week.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2017 23:00

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I imagine him being like a traore that knew what he was doing, am I close?
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since1970 Posted on 11/01/2017 23:01

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
"We got 1.6 million for Kernaghan twenty odd years ago - now that has got to be neigh on the biggest swindle in football ever"

Made even more remarkable as just before the transfer, Brian Horton (Man City's manager at the time) watched him at our home game with Stoke - where Kernagan had a stinker - and STILL bought him! [:D]
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petrio Posted on 11/01/2017 23:09

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Juninho was quick and for his size, he was strong. He would get knocked down and bounce straight back up. That was, if the opposition could catch him first. He wasn't as fast as Traore but he was a much more intelligent footballer. He had almost everything to put him on par with Messi, but he lacked power in some of his shots. He was brilliant and the best I have seen at Boro. At the time we had him and just after, he probably was one of the better players in the world but there were quite a few knocking around at the time. Zola, Bergkamp, Cantona, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho etc (I think, unless memory has got the better of me). I loved that little lad and still put him up on a pedestal now.
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Heine Posted on 11/01/2017 23:37

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Half of 5 million for Bennett was still a cracking result
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HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2017 23:41

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
No, Traore and Juninho are not comparable.

I can't compare Juninho, his foot speed was in split second movement of the ball at close quarters in tight areas and he had a great habit of suddenly homing in very directly on goal in the penalty area.

He wasn't the best tackler, header or as said above shooter of the ball but he could do things ordinary top premier league players couldn't. He had a unique creative attacking ability, he had you on the edge of your seat or on your feet, amazing we ever got him to the Boro.

Traore is a speed merchant in my view, with a unique ability to carry the ball past half a team at high speed, I also think if he develops properly there is enormous strength and power there. If he gets it all right there is a player he reminds me of, but there's a long way to go
yet.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 11/01/2017 23:42

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
IM sure 12m in 1997 was in the top 5 transfers of all time as shearer was 15M... he went to Atletico who were throwing money around like mad men
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boro19 Posted on 11/01/2017 23:52

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
The thing is we are not really an selling club like Southampton as if we wanted we could sell Gibson for 30+ million. However we try to keep our best players and only really sell players who can't get in the team when an better alternative is found to improve the team.
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goalscrounger Posted on 12/01/2017 01:17

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I'm with the OP on this one and thought exactly the same thing when I saw that Everton had paid Charlton 11 million for some kid I'd never heard of last week.
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JLBR2301 Posted on 12/01/2017 01:22

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Let me first clarify that I love Juninho, and I was lucky enough to witness his first spell as a 17 year old who was infatuated by football and MFC at the time.
But to answer your question Jlinardi, albeit a world class player Juninho was never anywhere near Messi or Ronaldo's level, lets not kid ourselves.
And Holgate corner, he played in the group games but only featured in short cameos (if that) after that.
Considering it was 1997 12 million wasn't a million miles off a fair fee. But you'd be looking at 45 million maybe plus now!
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Stanley_Downing Posted on 12/01/2017 01:35

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
"Juninho played at no.10 in a World Cup final which Brazil won.

Let me repeat that, he played up front, for Brazil, in a World Cup winning team."

Do you mean finals? In the actual final he came on in the 85th minute with the score at 2-0. Big fan of the little fella but he didn't really do that much in the tournament.
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leave_my_arse_alona Posted on 12/01/2017 01:42

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
12 million was a huge fee for juninho at the time, it was 80% of the world record transfer fee at the time and we had just been relegated, Huge money!!!

We got 6 million for luke young which was a good fee (shouldn't have sold him mind) and we also made money on Emerson, Merson and barmby too
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coluka Posted on 12/01/2017 09:43

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
500,000 for Mills was a record i think

2.3M for Brad Jones was robbery with violence
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The_same_as_before Posted on 12/01/2017 09:51

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
100k for Alan Ramage ends this conversation
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erimus74 Posted on 12/01/2017 09:54

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
And we got over 1million for Kernaghan from Man City after an awful match against Stoke City
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UKLL1981 Posted on 12/01/2017 10:02

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Different era, we sold Downing years ago after we'd been relegated with big debts. If we can get anything for players that aren't going to play then surely that's a bonus.
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Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 12/01/2017 10:09

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
The fact that we haven't had Premier League players for the best part of the last decade probably answers the question.
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Born_again_Freebird Posted on 12/01/2017 10:12

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
The OP has made himself look rather silly here [;)] never mind it happens to us all
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newusername Posted on 12/01/2017 11:28

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
"We got 2.5M for Pally which was a big fee at the time"

2.3m, which was massive for a defender (and a record?). IIRC Best said he should score 40 goals a year for that.

10 years later we bought him back 2.5m.
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Tom_Fun Posted on 12/01/2017 12:00

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
How much did Tottenham pay for Woodgate? I think we paid around 11m but could be wrong.
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Smoggle Posted on 12/01/2017 12:11

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Adam Johnson went to City for a decent amount with us in the championship and his contract running down.
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Boromart Posted on 12/01/2017 12:22

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
I think we paid 7mill for Woodgate, and sold at a slight profit I think around 8.5m?

We just haven't had great players in the last 5 years. 'young' Downing was the last decent player we sold, the last player on top of his game. But even then we sold as we were relegated which reduced his value. If we had stayed up and sold him it would have been closer to 18m.

The southampton model is one for us to follow. Good scouting, great youth setup and sell players at massive profits. They have sold 11 players for almost 200mill in the last few years:

Clyne 12.5m
Lovren 20m
Chambers 16m
Shaw 33m
Wanyama 11.5m
Schneiderlin 24m
Lallana 25m
Mane 30m
Oxlade-Chamberlain 12m

and in the last 10 years
Bale 7m
Walcott 5m

That is what we need to do as a business model.
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fosm Posted on 12/01/2017 12:24

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
The first ever 1M pound player cost less than a million!
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American_Mary Posted on 12/01/2017 12:34

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
After Southampton we've probably generated as much from sales of any academy people forget the money we received for the likes of Downing, Johnson, Cattermole, Wheater, Jones, Morrison, Davies, Brunt etc.

Southampton have always had a very good scouting and youth system going back to Shearer, Wallace brothers, Le Tissier etc it's certainly a model that other clubs would love to repeat.
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HeritageHampers Posted on 12/01/2017 13:31
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Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Just to jump on the Juninho tip...he was an incredible player. The best I've ever seen in the flesh (Boro match goer home and away since early 87).
Aside from his quick feet and running at speed with the ball as very eloquently described by posters above, one of the big stand out things for me in his game was his ability to create angles or see passes that nobody else on the pitch or stadium could see.
Don't know about anyone else, but when I'm at the match I'm always looking two or three steps ahead to see what the best option for a pass is and most times the action on the pitch matches what I thought should happen. Juninho though would find something else, something completely unexpected but perfect, a pass or piece of movement that created space for someone else that like I said no one else in the stadium could see. Unfortunately including his team mates and sometimes the skill was wasted!
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/01/2017 14:13

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
HeritageHampers - great post and spot on [^]

The comments on Juninho above made me smile because I've said on another thread about Traore that there were plenty of Boro fans who didn't rate Juninho when he first came to the Riverside, I was wrong about that, there were plenty who never rated him!!

I've concluded that some of our fans like the skill and guile the more gifted players bring but there are plenty of others who see the beauty of, say, an Adam Clayton putting a big shift in on a cold winters day and think we should leave the fancy dan dicky dancers to the Barcelonas and Real Madrids of this world. And that applies to the managers too...
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Easy_ Posted on 12/01/2017 14:17

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Yeah Juninho's ability to see a through ball that no one else could see was amazing.
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hewielewie Posted on 12/01/2017 14:35

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
Juninho's problem was that apart from Rav nobody else was on his wavelength. I remember in the last game at Elland Road he burst through on the edge of the box and played the ball into Beck for a one two. Beck only needed to touch it into his path and he would have been through on goal. Beck's touch was terrible and made him turn the other way into defenders and the chance was gone. Only one example I know but I remember thinking that if only he had better players around him...
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/01/2017 14:42

Why can we never seem to get big fees for our players?

 
And I must admit I thought he played from the start in the World Cup final but apologies that he only came on as a sub - for Brazil - in a World Cup final...

I've had a quick look at the records and Brazil played seven games in that World Cup and Juninho including the final played in five of them, he was in the starting line up for four of the games so can only assume he picked up an injury at some point.

And this was Juninho post injury and past his best approaching 30, so not a bad contribution towards a Brazil World Cup win at the back end for him despite somebody saying he didn't play a major role above.
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