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Buddy Posted on 21/11/2015 18:58
David Nugent's scoring stats
 
 
I've only looked at time playing for Championship-level clubs, to try and compare performance at a vaguely similar standard.

PRESTON
8421 minutes
97 starts
37 goals

227.59 minutes per goal
0.38 goals per start

PORTSMOUTH
4174 minutes
48 starts
13 goals

321.08 minutes per goal
0.27 goals per start

LEICESTER
11228 minutes
133 starts
53 goals

211.85 minutes per goal
0.40 goals per start

MIDDLESBROUGH
1061 minutes
12 starts
4 goals

265.25 minutes per goal
0.33 goals per start

SUMMARY
In general he's about on target for his average. 2 goals in 2 full games now would make his record better than it was at Leicester. Also notable is that 2013/14 was a particularly good year - 184.38 minutes per goal, compared to the overall average of around 240.
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WeeGord Posted on 21/11/2015 19:06

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Have you got these stats for Kike?
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Wind-Bag Posted on 21/11/2015 19:09

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Has he every scored more than 10 in a season without taken the penalties?
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goingnowhere Posted on 21/11/2015 19:20

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yes windbag, most seasons he has done but his record is not a good as some may think on this board. most goals without penalties was 15 but that was in 42 appearances so pretty poor record.
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BigmetsBoro86 Posted on 21/11/2015 19:20
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Has Rhodes ever scored more than 20 without pens?[rle]. I doubt it.

Point being top scoring CFs tend to take pens but we gave Grant who never misses (once) so can hardly give it to a CF.

My god Bamford would have had 25+ if he was on pens all last season.

Rhodes/McCormack/Murphy all take pens
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Crawford Posted on 21/11/2015 19:20

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He only scores when the pressure is off.

Misses almost every one on one.
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goingnowhere Posted on 21/11/2015 19:27

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do your research before making comments like that bigmetsboro86 he scored 25 goals in 13/14 season and only 4 penalties, 12/13 he scored 28 with 5 penalties so yes he has scored more than 20 without penalties. to put that into perspective he has only not scored more than 20 in 1 season without penalties but he got 19 so i think we could let him off with that one. he's proven he's a better striker than nugent.
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Buddy Posted on 21/11/2015 20:45

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Kike:

3501 minutes
32 starts
15 goals

233.40 minutes per goal
0.47 goals per start

At the end of the Derby game in August he was below 200 minutes per goal. Hasn't scored since then, in 582 playing minutes.
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BoroPhil Posted on 21/11/2015 21:02

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"He only scores when the pressure is off"

that's a bit unfair. his first couple of goals were one-on-ones, and he looked like he would never miss.

however. he has missed two good chances in the last two games and Kike should get a chance somewhere in the next week where we have 3 games in 6 days
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bear66 Posted on 21/11/2015 22:08

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Had three poor games in terms of chances missed but does a lot of leg work if he had some one near him to profit from it. How many on target versus over the bar from outside the 6 yd box?
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Buddy Posted on 21/11/2015 22:11

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(with the Moon in Aries)
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lionhunter Posted on 21/11/2015 22:15

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ENGLAND I GOAL 1 GAME [^]
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 13:09

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Updated.

Nugent:

1669 minutes
18 starts
5 goals

333.80 minutes per goal
0.28 goals per start

Kike:

3949 minutes
34 starts
16 goals

246.81 minutes per goal
0.47 goals per start
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MawTheMerrier Posted on 24/01/2016 13:13

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Impressive stats [^]

Looks like Kike wins the beauty contest
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 13:14
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*is winning

(assuming scoring is the primary job of the "no 9" (sorry) in this system, which it's not)
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 24/01/2016 13:17

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David Nugent gets absolutely no service.

Yesterday he was asking for the ball in and around the box. No one would play it into him.

Leadbitter annoys me how he just passed it sideways.

I'd play Forshaw for the next game v Blackburn. It won't happen though
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bear66 Posted on 24/01/2016 13:40

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Downing and then Forshaw (and for much of the game Stuani) were the receivers who might have played the ball in to Nugent in around the box. Leadbitter wasn't the No 10.
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 14:34
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Have you included Kike's goal at Brighton in December or have I misread it, Buddy?
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 14:37

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I don't know whether you've misread it, because I can't tell what you've read. [;)] Kike's goal tally has gone up by one since the last time I posted it
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BoroBerk Posted on 24/01/2016 18:18

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That's a relief - so we don't need a new forward then.
Out of interest how does Stuani compare?
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1finny Posted on 24/01/2016 18:46

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I heard someone say Rhodes has the best record in all English leagues over the last 10 years?
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 19:08
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The other side of the 'lack of service' coin, to my mind at least, is that that explanation is very rarely trotted out when discussing Kike's goalscoring record. Both players should be treated the same in that respect I think. In fact you could argue that Kike was relying on Tomlin, Adomah and Reach for service whereas Nugent has had Adomah, Downing and Fabbrini to feed off.

I'm a bit disappointed with Nugent to be honest. He works his backside off, as does Kike, but that's the minimum I'd expect from a professional footballer really.

I think the team need to get back to being assertive and proactive again instead of sitting off and looking to grind it out like they have done since Derby. As for Nugent, I have no idea what to suggest other than crossing our fingers he and several others start finding the net much more regularly.
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Boromart Posted on 24/01/2016 19:12

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Nugent has never been a top goal scorer, he is hard working but limited. He has only ever scored 20 league goals once I. His career and being a fairly pacey striker, now that he is 30 he wasn't ever going to get 20 this year
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 19:19
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But as I hinted earlier on vivvers, I'm not sure Karanka will view it purely in goalscoring terms.

My thinking when I started the thread was to see if he was scoring much less than he did anywhere else, which would suggest that the problem was less with him and more with what he's being asked to do. At the time there was no real evidence of that, but the numbers have started to stretch out a bit now, although still nothing that two goals in three games wouldn't start to drag back.

The point is that for the front man in this system, work is at least as important as goals, providing that the other three are [mode=pundit]bombing on and sticking them away.[/mode]

None of us (I don't think) have the Opta or Prozone stuff that tells Karanka that Kike, Nugent, Rhodes or whoever are the best person to do that, independently of their scoring record. I would make a tentative prediction that Rhodes would score less in a Karanka Boro team than he does in a struggling Blackburn team (roughly 130 minutes per goal this season).
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 19:24

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I agree it's about the team, about what the striker does for the team first and foremost, but the striker has to score more goals. Our main man up front should've got more than five in five months, shouldn't he?
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 19:36

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*Traditionally* the striker has to score more goals. But if his boss has told him that his main job is to keep hold of the ball and give it to other people, that's what he'll do, at the expense of the goals column.
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 19:40
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I fully understand what you're saying and I agree with it. Karanka wants the workhorse-type striker it seems and plans for the goals to come from all of the attacking areas rather than just one of them but I still think the striker should be scoring more goals even with those constraints.

How did Patrick Bamford manage to get 19? I know he played a big chunk of the season floating around on the right and drifting inside when it suited but he scored goals when played through the middle too.

Perhaps fhe Fabbrini situation is the most interesting one at this moment in time as he has contributed a fair chunk in an attacking sense and losing that now would be a big disappointment. Unless this fabled new attacking player is coming in this week, of course, which I can't see happening.
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Buddy Posted on 24/01/2016 19:44

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It seems to me that Karanka isn't particularly impressed with Downing's contribution at present, hence the noise being made about a new "number 10" [sic]. We can't do anything about Fabbrini being sold - one of the disadvantages of relying on loans, I suppose.
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 19:51

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I posted last night that I was a bit annoyed with his treatment of Downing in the past week. He always seems to be the one who gets hammered, him or Kike, whereas Nugent drifts along without a word being said. Leadbitter, has he scored from open play this season? Does Adomah do it often enough and does he do it more than Downing does? I'm not so sure.

I know Downing is THE man and I think Karanka knows he'll get the repsonse he's looking for but to me it doesn't sit right sometimes. The mischievous part of me would say that it's easier to criticise or question the chairman's signings rather than one or two of your own...

[smi]
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/01/2016 19:52

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And one man's mischievousness is another man's stupidity, of course.
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