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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 00:11
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Hi,

So there's an election coming up and I'm completely undecided, can anyone tell me why I should put my 'x' in May's box?

Apparently she's a long way ahead in the polls so I'm looking forward to hearing great news on the NHS, public services, prison, transport etc... [^]
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chrisbrad67 Posted on 20/04/2017 00:16

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There will be no May in June [^]
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 00:18

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Don't forget that there are massive cuts to schools and libraries are closing. Potholes in the roads too Lytham. The Tories are really cracking on with what matters to ordinary people. There are no issues with social care either and violent crime isnt on the increase either honestly. They are doing a great job and she has great taste in shoes. What's not to like. [^]
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 00:22

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That's brilliant Leamington, I'm nearly sold [^]
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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 20/04/2017 00:25

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Corbyn's a communist, terrorist-sympathising loon who will never run the country [^]

Look at me, I'm intelligent because I'm saying words. The best words.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 00:26

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Have a look at this Lytham. She is almost too perfect. [^]

Link: #surprise
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 00:26
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Good stuff MMMSSMS, we don't want people who know big words running things [^]

What good news about the government do you have though? Most of the media keep telling me she's the only choice but they're a bit vague on details, I expect the AVFTT political commentators will be able to fill in the blanks.



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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 20/04/2017 00:28

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Errr.....







Corbyn supports the IRA.



Did I mention he's a terrorist sympathiser?

Damn. [sad]
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 00:32
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And look at some of his policies too guys. They are mentalist.

Theresa May; sensible policies for a sensible Britain.

Link: Stupid man
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 00:34

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That all sounds a bit Socialist to me Leamington, which everyone knows is exactly the same as Communism.

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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 20/04/2017 00:35

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*Warning, comment may contain ignorance

"Free school meals for children 4-11"?

How dare they want my money, XXXXXX scroungers should pay for their own food. Bugger them. Parents should know better.

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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 00:37

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Surrounded by a crack team too don't forget Boris Johnson, Liam Fox and David Davies.

Hammond's recent budget wasn't a right XXXXXX up either.

Britain is booming [^]
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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 20/04/2017 00:40

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XXXXXX left wing pie-in-the-sky policies [rle]

Corbyn will open the doors wide open for immigrants and terrorists [V]







My god it must be hard being right-wing sometimes.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 00:44

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Yeah and that disgusting idea of ending zero hours contracts. I like the instability of not having a job that is regular and stable and means I can't plan anything much for the future of my family.

Bleeding Communists. We'll all be back in the Seventies again where you couldn't have a leak without the unions giving you permission. There were rats in the bins on the streets and people going on strike simply because there were no chocolate digestives in the canteen at work. All that and before you know it everyone will be getting rogered by the likes of Garry Glitter.

Scroungers the lot of them. If they want to live In the Soviet Union (even though it doesn't technically exist anymore) then good riddance I say. [^]
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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 20/04/2017 00:49

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Did I mention Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser?
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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 20/04/2017 01:04

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I think this thread is proving a point.

What is there to recommend her or her party?

Forget Corbyn. What is it about HER and HER PARTY that is soooo electable?
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Catinstalbans Posted on 20/04/2017 06:53

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I've asked this question before and not got an answer.
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straightatthewall Posted on 20/04/2017 06:58

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Typical loony left rabble rousing. Does Corby wear a tie?
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 07:03

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Wear a tie?

The Marxist doesn't even sing the words to 'God Save the Queen.'

He isn't even English and we need someone English in charge. Theresa sings the words with gusto. That makes her more British than him.

#strongleadership.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 07:03

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Now now you lot; do you not realise dissent is no longer allowed in the New Democratic Post Brexit Britain?

Stop carping and get behind our Great PM or you're in danger of being labelled "a saboteur" or, worse, "an enemy of the people".

There's only one way now. And that's the Tory Way.
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Bloodtangerine Posted on 20/04/2017 07:09
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Could be labelled boring by some?
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straightatthewall Posted on 20/04/2017 07:10

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I think we can all agree there blood.....
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 07:11

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Don't be so harsh on yourself Blood.

You can be quite entertaining sometimes.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 07:13

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Spend more on schools and the NHS?

Well that might help kids to learn to read and less people will have to wait in pain for operations but it will only get us into more debt and we won't have the aircraft carriers we need to protect Gibraltar and that place near Argentina where loyal English people live and there are some penguins.

Get your priorities right Corbyn you loony, bearded old anorak wearing, Trotsky shagging reader of books.

#KeepBritainTidy
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pondman Posted on 20/04/2017 07:14
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The only possible reason for voting Tory would be that it would keep Diane Abbot and her big patronising mouth away from any form of power. Slim pickings, I know...

Edit to add: just heard that job-hoarding gaylord George Osborne is standing down as MP; another reason...
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 07:17

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Ant and Dec make me laugh for a long time.

They are like Morecambe and Wise and we all know that they voted for Brexit. Just not necessarily in the right order.
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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 20/04/2017 07:19

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I heard that because Corbyn doesn't like ties and has a beard and is too old and he thinks money grows on trees...that you have to vote for Theresa May because she has no beard and her hair is nice. Also being a lady she's really nice and very much like that lovely Maggie lady who used to run the country very well and lovely....we are all behind you Theresa!

I saw comments on Facebook yesterday, and I kid you not, that were about that level on comments received on a post about her calling an election. It's like mass brainwashing has occurred. Scary.
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Tikataka Posted on 20/04/2017 07:23

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Other than grammer schools I'm lacking any awareness of 'new' Tory policy. She seems to communicate in slogans, 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'trust me on this'. All rather vague.

She'll win of course, because she's not Corbyn and the right wing media will create a 2017 version of project fear.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 07:26
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There is a Polish fella on our street who has already got a vote Labour poster in his window.

They are everywhere those saboteurs. He is probably one of those foreigners and is on welfare. If you don't like this country and democracy then go back to Russia. We had a vote and you lost. Let's all get behind Mrs Thatcher and get on with the job in hand. Winston Churchill would be spinning in his grave.
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straightatthewall Posted on 20/04/2017 07:34

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Once we had an empire
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rockontommy Posted on 20/04/2017 07:42

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No point having policies if you're too much of a limp willy to implement them or even be heard over and above others selling theirs. The fact that the main Tory policirs that I and others have experienced is austerity and avoidable + engineered economic instability (brexit), makes JC's failure to make political in-roads all the more damning. And you don't have to be clued up about politics to notice these things hence why Labour are going to get their pants pulled down.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 07:49

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Rock. I dare say you are right but that doesn't mean we have to stop reminding people that May:

Was an inept Home Secretary;

Was on the losing side in the Referendum;

Lied about not calling a General Election;

Is running scared of joining in a televised debate where she might be asked difficult questions about things she doesn't want to talk about - the NHS, Education etc.

A truly inspiring PM.
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rockontommy Posted on 20/04/2017 07:56

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"Running scared" is a bit strong. Careful what you wish for is what I'd say on that....
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bollieboy Posted on 20/04/2017 08:00

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The MSM and the Deep State are all backing Corbyn. Its a massive conspiracy against the British people and we need to shove it to da man and back a non-mainstream candidate such as St Theresa May.
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1974seasider Posted on 20/04/2017 08:01

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Why are you called Lytham_FY8 if you live in Maidenhead?
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 08:11
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I don't think any of the parties are perfect.
I am going Tory again (would not be the case if I was in Blackpool Souh if AH stands).
I've repeatedly complained about Corbyns shortfalls and credibility as a leader and therefore making Labour un-electable.
I think Lib-Dems could emerge as the UK second party on the back of the "Remaniac Card" and will take 20 plus seats of labour if not significantly more.
I hope Sturgeon loses half the SNP seats as just over half of Scotland know leaving the UK will put them back to being a "third world nation" bar a miracle upturn in oil prices.
With respect to the Economy, Employment, the thorny issue of Brexit, National & World Security, Immigration and Controlling Borders it's got to be the Tories.
With respect to the NHS & Education I would agree that on these issues only Labour would would probably be a better option, however both these need funding through a strong economy.
A bit of a "chicken and egg" there to me.
The Tories must "up there game" with respect to the NHS, the NHS is "fantastic" but the challenges presented by a larger ageing population that will only further increase are massive.
Whilst I would be happy to pay 1% extra tax directly to fund the NHS more, the internal communication with in the NHS needs an awful lot to be desired.
Therefore, that why for me:-
It has to be May this time (and BST/Blackpool First if they stand for Blackpool South!!)......... 🚌
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tommytwojags Posted on 20/04/2017 08:20

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Well let's see. you could vote for May. Or there's that Jeremy bloke who is sometimes on tv. I don't know what he does but he promised to give £10 to carers so he must be ok. Or there's that weasely looking little fella who runs that party I can't remember the name of, but it used to be the Liberals. Spoilt for choice really.
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tommytwojags Posted on 20/04/2017 08:22

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poulton has got it right. Controlling Boarders must be a priority. They were out of control at Holy Joe's
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Tikataka Posted on 20/04/2017 08:37
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ITV intend to 'empty chair' her in a leadership debate. If they hold firm then expect her to perform another U Turn. And surely she can't follow her referendum tactic and hide under the duvet in a General Election - from Corbyn of all candidates.
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 08:42

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TTJ[:D].........Feckin predictive[cr]............ 🚌
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glasshalffull Posted on 20/04/2017 08:51

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Vote for Theresa because she is the best of them at sounding statesmanlike while uttering vacuous rhetoric, lies and bollix, at the same time as kicking the crutches away from the weak and the poor, and impoverishing children.
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Bloodtangerine Posted on 20/04/2017 09:33

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Doesn't matter what is typed in fury on this messageboard......we all know Labour will get slaughtered, the Liberals will gain a few seats, SNP will lose some seats and the Tories will romp it......does anyone disagree that broadly that is what will happen??

Right or Wrong do you disagree with the above likely results??
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kieronjames1 Posted on 20/04/2017 09:52

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Highly likely Blood, though exposing her deceit and abysmal record is de rigueur, wouldn't you say. I'm open minded, but I'd actually like to hear Mrs May answer some questions clearly and state equally clearly what her intentions are. After all we are going into the most important phase for the countries future, caused by her parties incompetence. "Trust me" and "oh look, he doesn't wear a tie and my shoes are dearer than his" isn't a reason for my vote.
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ArchibaldKnox Posted on 20/04/2017 10:00

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Strong and stable leadership.
Power, control, rule, authority, command, dominate, order, demand, security.
Mandate to lead. Mandate to speak. Mandate to fight. Mandate to deliver.
Standing up to the EU.
I, I, I, me, me, me.
I want, I will, I won't.
Will make me stronger.
Getting the job done.
Crush the saboteurs.
Bish Bash Bosh...

Gawd, for those that remember, it's like the bad old days with the Tory masochistic lickspittles drooling at dominatrix Maggie's feet while she whips them and insults them. It's perverse. Too bad "Spitting Image" is not still being made.
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ss53 Posted on 20/04/2017 10:05

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There hasn't been a party with a reason to vote for them for many years, so why look for one now. They are all a shower of sh!te and you have to pick the one least abhorrent to you.
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Old_Laytonian Posted on 20/04/2017 10:11

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Mrs May said: 'When people voted to leave the EU they did vote to end free movement as it has been Ė they voted for us to have control of our laws so we are not subject to the ECJ.

'We will be ensuring we negotiate the best possible deal with the EU Ė a deal which will cover the various issues that people are really concerned about in terms of ensuring control of our borders, control of our laws, control of our money.'

Looks like she's out hoover up the UKIP vote as well [:O]
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fixitian Posted on 20/04/2017 10:19

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Thats it, I won't be voting for a clueless Lytham. In fact I'm very dissapointed.[sad]
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jack_bfc Posted on 20/04/2017 10:26

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This is the first and last time I'm going to agree with PB[;)]
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1950spoolfan Posted on 20/04/2017 10:54

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Well we all take it for granted but we should appreciate the right to freely express any political views whatsoever,yes even including most of the drivel posted above.Just to illustrate Corbyn is live on TV right now and he`s clearly,indisputably wearing a tie, though it is a red one.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 20/04/2017 11:08

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If you can read this article and not have some sick in your mouth then you are a better man than me.

Link: Quentin Letts Full Boner
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 11:10

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Jack😂
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 11:25

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I'm just after some solid factual improvements she's made to the country, over 50 posts and I haven't heard one yet.

Tell you what, can anyone highlight the positive policies she has in place going forward to assure me my 'x' will be in the right place?

Thanks [^]
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Old_Laytonian Posted on 20/04/2017 11:30

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In thought you hadn't voted for years, so why are you bothered?
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 11:33

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That's not very helpful.

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1950spoolfan Posted on 20/04/2017 11:43

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It`s been clear to me for some time now Lytham that you are a closet Tory.Why don`t you come out and make a clean breast of it all,you`ll feel so much better and I don`t expect any thanks for you to being finally able to stop wrestling with your conscience. xxx
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phill49 Posted on 20/04/2017 11:48

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Many people vote tory not because they support them but because of the dangerous shocking shower of loons that are the alternative.
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SeasiderKurt Posted on 20/04/2017 11:56

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The problem is Lytham, they haven't had to put any "good" policies or improvements in the way because there is not an electable opposition.

The country is being massively let down by politics in general.

Our healthcare and transport systems are a complete disgrace, this isn't the fault of your day to day workers but the brown envelope taking directors and management team taking their pennies without improving or managing correctly.

You cannot point out Mays flaws and moan about voting anyone but her. There isn't a single other party to vote for. Not one, so who is the real person letting us down, the one trying to run the country or the one who isn't even fit to?
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bollieboy Posted on 20/04/2017 12:05

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Phill49, are you standing as an alternative ?
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bottle Posted on 20/04/2017 12:06

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Pity the SNP can't stand in the North of England, I'd vote for them, independence from the South, remain in Europe and as much neeps and taties as I can eat with the bonus of the delectable Nicola as my leader, who could ask for more [^]
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 12:09
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You could well be right Kurt, but we don't know (and never will) if Corbyn is fit to lead the country, it's been pre-ordained that he's 'unelectable'.

Was Cameron fit to lead it? Are the Tories? They've massively risked the future of the country for the sake of inter party squabbling and satisfying Murdoch while public services fall apart and appearing to not have a single policy anyone wants to vote for.



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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 12:16

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Cameron created jobs and reduced the deficit that labour created over 3 terms.
May has shown credibility to "steady the ship" as it enters the "rough Brexit waters".
Can perhaps you now tell me my old "favourite poster" one thing Corbin has done for the Labour Party or one reason why I should vote for him?
P.S. There has been a distinct last of "Joffrey Posts" recently, please bring them back soon😀👍.......🚌
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whitstabletangerine Posted on 20/04/2017 12:36
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I am just annoyed because she has called an election when it wasn't necessary, it's in the countries interest, I don't believe it was, it was for tactical reasons, rather like the sinking of the Belgrano.
Now that reminds me I was living in New York at the '87 election when MT was up against that other Maverick Labour unilateralist Neil Kinnock in her successful bid for a third term in Downing street.
It hardly made the tv new in the States in fact if I hadn't picked up a British paper lying around JFK in NY, I wouldn't have known there was an election taking place in the UK, the Yanks didn't have the same obsession as the BBC has on US politics.

Lytham asked the question what has she achieved, well as Home Secretary she berated the police for not having enough black and ethnic police officers and made sure they limited their stop and search tactics from a matter of course to having reasonable grounds.
Mex made a point about her earlier on, I have no qualms about her changing her mind, it doesn't make her a liar, I am sure he like most of us have changed our stance on a subject due to changed circumstances, however on this occasion I do believe she is wrong and disappointed that Corbyn didn't order his lot and challenge the vote and at the same time convince the SNP to do likewise saving us all from this unwanted interruption.
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bottle Posted on 20/04/2017 12:38

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Bus, we are about to enter that frantic stage of the season where the fanbase fragments into even more cliques from
Napm V Mushroom
Napm (Pro Brexit) V Mushroom (Pro Brexit)
Napm (Tory) V Mushroom (Labour)
Mushroom (Tory) V Mushroom (Labour)
Napm (Labour) V Mushroom (Labour Pro Brexit)
Napm (Anti Brexit Anti Fylde Pro Cods) V oh you get the picture

Joffrey will be rubbing his (Pro Oyston) hands in anticipation!!

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Pool4eva Posted on 20/04/2017 12:40

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TM reminds me of Jim the character in
"The Vicar of Dibley"

"Prime minster will you call a General Election"

TM "Erm No...No....No.....No....No... Yes"

[;)]
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 12:43

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Oi Bus, I gone did a Joffrey post a week or so ago, it didn't get many replies so I cried in a corner for 8 hours.

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SEASIDE2016 Posted on 20/04/2017 13:23

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I voted for Andy Higgins at the last GE and did have an open mind before reading this thread.

Jeremy it is then lads [^]
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tommytwojags Posted on 20/04/2017 13:39

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I'm turning my attention to the French election. It's far more entertaining and probably will have more effect on the UK than our election.
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Tikataka Posted on 20/04/2017 14:37

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Any votes for wearing leather pants in the Hello centre spread? Tory boys love that kind of thing...[rle]
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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 20/04/2017 15:13

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Reported on the BBC in his first major general election speech:

'Mr Corbyn said: "Much of the media and Establishment are saying this election is a foregone conclusion.

"They think there are rules in politics, which if you don't follow by doffing your cap to powerful people, accepting that things can't really change, then you can't win.

"But of course those people don't want us to win. Because when we win, it's the people, not the powerful, who win."

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ss53 Posted on 20/04/2017 22:06
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I may have missed it in this recording but I think Dawn Butler may have briefly mentioned its all rigged


Link: BBC
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 22:15

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She was embarrasingly bad on Radio 4 at tea time.

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Wizaard Posted on 20/04/2017 23:03

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'We need this election to crush opposition'

The essence of democracy.
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ss53 Posted on 20/04/2017 23:14

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Wizz - the quote - who said that? Is it a complete sentence or have you edited?
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KuriousOranj Posted on 20/04/2017 23:37
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"What is it about HER and HER PARTY that is soooo electable"?

I think it's a very weird aspirational thing where the very fact that they tell people they are Conservatives fills them with pride and makes them feel better in some warped way. There are two types.. There's the Bend it Like Suddick model, expensive education etc, mummy very proud of her young son, couldn't vote any other way even if Teresa May went on a murderous spree with a machine gun He'd still XXXXXXX vote for her. Then there's the Blood who didn't even get the humour in this thread, hardly knows what's going politically. He thinks he's doing well in life obviously doesn't give a crap about anyone else, self obsessed..will vote for the girl with nice hair and shoes. [^]
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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 21/04/2017 07:36

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Years of indoctrination and reading of The Daily Mail helps.
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dodgykeeper Posted on 21/04/2017 09:31

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Bollie 20/4 8:00

That's a bit far-fetched mate.
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costero_poderoso Posted on 21/04/2017 11:24

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Just to chuck in my own rather depressing point of view and in response to PB itís not that none of the partyís are perfect, the truer explanation would be that all of the partyís are inadequate. Labour have a leader and a ruling caucus who are trying to push the party to the extreme left. They are stuck in a 1950ís ideology which didnít work then or in the subsequent 20 years and will not work now. The Toryís are pushing an elitist every man or woman for themselves, with support concentrated on big business, fewer regulations etc. Unfortunately that doesnít work either as the last three financial crises have shown. The Liberals will mix and match policies in order to get more MPís but donít seem to have any clear agenda, and are saddled with a leader who nobody can take seriously.

UKIP: the less said the better, however my guess is there might be a bit of a backlash on their lies in the EU referendum. The Greens are a joke and led by an idiot, and have no policies beyond stopping everyone doing everything.

Scottish Nationalists will dominate Scotland and it would not surprise me if Welsh Nationalists get significantly more support. If that is the case then Britain will not exist in a decade, which would not necessarily bother me, apart from the fact that England tends to be politically conservative, even in the North which has been virtually destroyed by them.

I cannot see anything other than a Conservative win with a large majority, a hard Brexit with very isolationist policies leading eventually to the breakup of the UK. England then becomes ever more conservative with more focus on London and the broken financial systems, leading to an even more extreme boom and bust economic cycle because the financial systems will gravitate to Germany. This election will change the UK in a way that other elections have not, and have a very negative impact.

The only hope that I have is that a significant proportion of the 37% that voted Brexit not really understanding what they voted for have thought about it more, and that more young people have become eligible to vote in the preceding 8 months. Again diminishing that hope is who the f**k do they vote for?
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Wizaard Posted on 21/04/2017 16:07

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If Cameron reduced the deficit how come it's bigger now than when Labour left office? Is it May's fault then?

Austerity policies my arris. Not for all that's for sure.
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BFC_53 Posted on 21/04/2017 18:43

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Wiz,

The deficit is significantly smaller now than in 2010. You're referring to the debt, not the deficit. This is a common misunderstanding.

The deficit in 2010 was £153bn and is now around £55bn (I think). So the country is still losing money, but at a much slower rate, and hence the debt is still increasing, but again at a much slower rate than it was.
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poolcat Posted on 21/04/2017 19:04

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The fact is that the national debt increased more between 2010 and 2016 than it did between 1997 and 2010.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 19:19
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It`s amazing that some on here lecturing those of us who don`t share their left wing views and suggesting we all read the Daily Mail which is ridiculous of course (do they all read the Mirror?)and some of them can`t even grasp the difference between debt and deficit.

It is true the debt will always be increasing as long as we have a deficit which was of course eye wateringly massive when Gordon Brown(NO MORE BOOM AND BUST)left office.

Perhaps those who complain about the debt would have preferred draconian cuts in public spending to get the deficit down quicker? I can imagine the squeals.
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 19:21

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It's not 'lecturing', just facts and opinion, which can be countered by opposing facts and opinion, otherwise known as 'debate'.

You can consider yourself lectured on debate mind.





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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 19:22

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And it is the poorest in society that are bearing the brunt of it as usual.

"We're all in this together" my backside.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 19:41

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Who do you think pays in to the public purse,tax payers and wealth creators whilst the one`s who take out the most are the non contributors ..So if you hammer those who fund public spending that deters wealth creation and economic growth then we all especially the poor suffer as the overall size of the cake is reduced.It`s something envious socialists never seem to grasp.
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poolcat Posted on 21/04/2017 19:43

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With interest rates at record lows it was plainly obvious that public investment rather than a politically motivated austerity policy would have been the better option for the economy. Osborne's policies were a catastophic failure as the massive increase in debt since 2010 has shown.
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 19:44

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Why are they 'envious' socialists? Isn't that the same soundbite generalisation as calling all Tory voters selfish?


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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 19:55

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Envy is resenting that others have things that you would like but don`t have,rather than recognizing the need to make greater effort and show greater enterprise to gain greater rewards.Many Labour voters seem to think the world owes them a living.
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 19:57

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[:D]

Brilliant stuff.



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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 20:06

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Many Labour voters don't believe the world owes them a living but they do believe that there should be a fairer distribution of the wealth created.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 20:08

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I love your constructive contribution to the debate.That kind of sarcastic response suggests you have nothing constructive to say in response.Sarcasm is the refuge of losers.Either that or you have had your blinding flash of light on your road to Damascus....P`raps you really are a closet Tory after all.
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 20:11
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I've literally nothing to argue against outdated, cliched, narrow minded selfish points of view, what's the point?

Most labour voters are jealous? Do you read what you type beforehand?



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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 20:16

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So according to 50s every body to the left of himself is envious. Ridiculous!!

Can you actually accept that some people really are not interested in material stuff to the same extent as others.

Fairness is what drives me, Germany is a capitalist economy but the gulf between rich and poor is nothing like ours. There workers also have better rights and conditions than ours.

Our system is a throw back to some sort of middle ages, feudal thing in many ways..

Nothing wrong with some people making more money but they shouldn't do it by depriving and trampling over others.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 20:21

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So you don`t think envy plays a part for many in voting Labour.You`ve got your eyes closed if you can`t see that.Envy is all around us and sadly will never become outdated.
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 20:23

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If you can see envy everywhere can you not see greed in equal measure?
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 20:24

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Like I said, there's literally nothing to say.

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mexboroseasider Posted on 21/04/2017 20:35

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I well understand you can make a lot more money by getting other people to work for you than you can working on your own.

A self employed hairdresser - no matter how hard they work - can only cut so many heads of hair in a day. They can work more hours or charge more but there's a limit to their earnings.

If however you employ six more hairdressers then you can make much more. But by doing that you obviously take a risk. If you take a risk you deserve a reward. Basically it's a trade off. The employee sacrifices some of his earnings in return for their job.

But where the model falls down is when the employee becomes a "worker" - with few rights - zero hours contracts. And the "employer" reaps rewards without taking any risk at all. Mike Ashley? Phillip Green? City Traders and CEOs if quoted companies.

So call it envy if you like. Even if it's more about fairness.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 20:38

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Yes there is also plenty of greed in the world and philanthropy based on success and financial gain through one`s own efforts is the ideal eg Bill Gates but it is more defensible to want to keep more of what you have earned through your own efforts than to make little effort and expect others to bail you out and resent the success of others.
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 20:45

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If the trade union and labour movement had never existed do you think the world would be a better place today due to the philanthropy of billionaires?

I have my doubts.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 20:49

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A poll a couple of years ago showed that 65% of Zero hours workers actually preferred that type of employment.
My daughter is a supply teacher which is a type of zero hours job as she depends on being offered work at different schools each week with no pension or sick pay but that is her preferred choice.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 21/04/2017 20:55

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1950s. Spot on.

All those workers in the cotton mills were totally content with their lot until those flipping unions turned up and spoilt everything.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 20:57

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I agree unions were an essential development to protect workers from exploitation.Like most things though it is a question of balance of power and under Harold Wilson union power was out of control which led to the winter of discontent and then the Thatcher govt.to turn things around when we had been regarded as the strike capital of Europe.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 21/04/2017 20:59

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So are we in balance now?
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:01

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A lot depends on how the question was worded with that sort of survey.

Where i work nobody is given a full time contract now which means that the newer recruits receive reduced sick pay, reduced holiday pay, reduced pension. Not one of them wants this. They all want to be full time but its not going to happen.

The only beneficiaries of this are the shareholders and senior executives, could they not have just a bit less so that more hard working people could have a full time job?

They don't want something for nothing they just want to be able to plan for the future, maybe buy a house, aspirational stuff, you should be able to appreciate that.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 21:08

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I think the majority of people in this country who were horrified at what was happening in the 70`s,as incidentally was Callaghan, Labour PM and a former union official,would say if the balance may never be perfect it`s a damn sight better for this country and its economy now than it ever was then and Labour in 13 years in office since never repealed any union legislation.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 21:22

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Only 58% of UK employees said there were happy with their work-life balance, compared to 65% of those on zero-hours contracts.
UK workers on zero-hours contracts are more likely to be happy with their work-life balance than other staff, a survey suggests.

The above is an extract from a BBC survey.
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:29

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Not how the people i know feel. I suppose you have to ask yourself the question, when i was in my twenties would i have wanted a zero hours contract?

My answer would be no.
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ss53 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:30

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Leamington

you are pretty much stating what Labours shadow chancellor said a couple of days ago.

He said that the tax burden is increasingly falling on lower and middle earners.

He also said middle and low earners are being hit very, very hard by... income tax rises.

This is being used to push for tax rises on the 'rich'.

The problem is that none of this is true.

A quarter of income tax comes from the top 1% earners.

A half of income tax raised comes from the top 10% of earners.

Since 78/79 an increasing proportion of taxes raised in the country come from the highest 10% of earners and a decreasing proportion from lower earners.

This is not just my opinion - this comes from the BBC fact check which effectively calls him a liar. (or stupid).

Im not surprised that lower earners are happy to soak the rich - they are being systematically lied to.

(BBC Fact Checks are pretty interesting at the moment - they also call Corbyn out as a liar today about his claim that half a million students are in class of more than 35 students.)

Link: BBC Fact Check
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 21:31

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Hardly surprising as this survey is about the balance between work and life. If I did less work then I would be happier with my work-life balance.

Are they happier about their pensions, working rights, security and future prospects too?

Quite a challenge, arguing that zero hours contracts are something positive to most people. What next, arguing that slavery is underrated?
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mexboroseasider Posted on 21/04/2017 21:37

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1950s. BBC survey?

But they are a biased leftie organisation so that can't be right.

Don!

DON!!!

Wtf is going on?
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 21:37

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Yes Ss53 but you need to consider two things:

1. The top 10% or so pay a lot of tax but it still leaves them with a huge disposable income anyway. Poor them!

2. You need to consider the cuts to public services. This is where austerity really hits the working class hard. No pay rises, higher council tax, less benefits, larger class sizes, longer waits at the NHS etc etc...The top 10% are not materially affected by this.
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pondman Posted on 21/04/2017 21:40

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Somebody needs to lend 50`s a copy of "the ragged trousered philanthropist "...
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:40

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VAT and tax on fuel is also a big deal to most but it's insignificant to the top 10%.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 21:45

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Leamington,ultimatly life is about happiness and so anything that increases happiness is worth its weight in gold.

SS53 its nice to have a bit of support particularly backing up some of my arguments with indisputable facts.[^]
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gjr69 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:49

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Zero hour contract 50s, good for you?
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ss53 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:54

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Leamington - two interesting points but neither addresses the fact that the guy who would be a Labour government chancellor is lying or incompetent.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 21:54

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Not so sure that is a justification for zero hours contracts. [rle]

I also see you've failed to appreciate the lack of the wider context in the BBC article.
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ss53 Posted on 21/04/2017 21:58

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That the beauty of the BBC fact-check series of articles. There is no wider context.

It is simply "So and so said this - is it true or not?"

And in this case, its a resounding 'No'
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Bloodtangerine Posted on 21/04/2017 22:00

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Haven't read mist if this irrelevant chite but lovely Ton Lytham 👍🏏🤠
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 22:01
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Cheers, bit of an open goal at the minute though, just mention how much you dislike May or Corbyn.

I started it trying to make a serious point but got bored by about post 20.



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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 22:01
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New official figures show that the average Council Tax bill in England has fallen in real-terms for the fourth year, as almost two-thirds of town halls have taken up the governmentís freeze offer.

Admittedly the above was published 2 years ago but since 2010 council taxes have actually been kept down far more than you misleadingly imply Leamington.
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Bloodtangerine Posted on 21/04/2017 22:08

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Lytham, I got a degree in British, American and Russian Politics in 1988........my interest faded in 1986/87 tbh [;)], .....and I was funnily enough a natural leftie by upbringing....old fella a very aggressive shop steward and not a man to be messed with
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 22:26

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Have the services that the council provide not been cut then?

If we accept your figures, then It stands to reason that you are now paying just as much then for less. Therefore, in reality the cost for those fewer services has gone up.

Try and see things more analytically.
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ArchibaldKnox Posted on 21/04/2017 22:36

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A degree in BARP? It sounds like somebody throwing up.
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 22:56

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Leamington,One minute you claim they have gone up ,when you are proved wrong as ss53 has also shown on other issues ,you then whinge about a reduction in services.I have mentioned elsewhere how many Labour supporters constantly whinge ,you make my case perfectly.With some whingers you can never win so I`ll leave you to it as dead horses and flogging come to mind.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 21/04/2017 23:12

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Maybe ss53 and yourself should read this.

Link: Council tax is up and services are being cut
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1950spoolfan Posted on 21/04/2017 23:38

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So after 4 years without any increase they are going up 1.99% and those with Social care authorities can add another 3% hardly excessive or profligate.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 22/04/2017 09:30

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Horse. Dead. Flogging. A.
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scaramanga Posted on 22/04/2017 10:22

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Has anyone noticed that Bridget never seems to appear on these non footballing matters, I would of thought he would be along to back the leftist loser corbyn by now [:P]
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scaramanga Posted on 22/04/2017 10:22

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Bridget cmon, lets here your politics words of wisdom
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1950spoolfan Posted on 22/04/2017 12:20
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Not exactly original Leamington but they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,so thanks for that.[^]
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 22/04/2017 12:21

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I think Beefy is going to turn up in a minute to run me out.

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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 22/04/2017 12:47

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Project Fear against Corbyn.

Vs

Project Sneer against May.

Toss a coin and take your pick Lytham.

PS Blood's prediction looks pretty sound to me, I'll be glad when it's all over.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 22/04/2017 14:02

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Sorry 50's but you've lost me there fella. [rle]
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1950spoolfan Posted on 22/04/2017 14:18

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See the last part of my post last night at 22.56.
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