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Middxile Posted on 19/03/2017 19:38
I don't think that it actually matters.
 
NAPM has been effective in depriving the Oystons of oxygen, but on it's own it would take a very long time to force out any owners with other sources of income.
There are always some supporters who just want to watch, and although that dilutes the overall effort a tad, that too is largely insignificant.
This battle will be won and lost in the High Court.
If the Defendants come out with a 20m+ bill, they will face some very uncomfortable choices. I doubt if they have even a small fraction of that sum in ready cash, so they will be required to realise the value of some of their assets.
They will seek to dispose of their least attractive assets, which of course are those that nobody wants to buy, and they will find that book value counts for little in a fire sale.
Owen may feel that VB would like to take the Football Club, but his problem there is that Val probably reckons that he's already been paid (11m "remuneration" and 29m+ to Segesta in unsecured loans).
They may find that they have to ship out some of their "Crown Jewels", and they will be seriously disappointed in how little they raise in these circumstances.
NAPM may indeed make it a bit easier for them to say goodbye, but it is a High Court Judgement in favour of Valerie Belokon that will lever them out.
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MyMoney_MySay Posted on 19/03/2017 19:43

I don't think that it actually matters.
At least when we eventually return to Bloomfield Road, we can hold our head up and say, "we didn't give them a dime".

Well, from 2014 or so onwards, anyway.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 19/03/2017 19:49

I don't think that it actually matters.
I don't disagree with much of the op, save that -

Don't under estimate the impact of NAPM. Rumours have it that the accounts show a 3m loss. And that's for a period before NAPM started to bite.

When you factor in the small case just decided, plus professional costs, I think the figure will be well above 20m by the year end.
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todayistheday Posted on 19/03/2017 19:51

I don't think that it actually matters.
If the O's are willing to sell and somebody out there willing to match their value is the only outcome. IMO.
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PoolParty Posted on 19/03/2017 19:56
Edited On: 19/03/2017 20:00
I don't think that it actually matters.
Agree with the O/P and think way too much time has been spent throwing round terms like #napm, mushrooms and at the worst scabs. The fact is there can never be a 3 line whip on this, fans can choose whatever option they like and actually who is to say who is right and who is wrong?

However I do think there will be wide scale disappointment if the court case is what some are resting their hopes on. It's almost like some fans think the O's are so stupid they'll walk in to a court room battle so unprepared, they'll hand everything over at the judges whim. It simply won't happen like that. Nor, I suspect will Belokon be ready to come in and be the hero many are hoping for.

Personally I think the facts are these. The O's have made a good deal of money out of a club which is now basically back to where it was when they first started only with more income in from other streams. If they want to get fans back they need to invest and prove themselves. The problem they have is at least half of the old hardcore will never come back and so they have to explore new opportunities and new fans and so are in no better position that Fleetwood or even Fylde who need to increase their supporter base (and who both have a lot more going for them).

They will still have the business for years to come and at some point they may feel it's not worth carrying on and put it up for sale. I still reckon that will be their decision and not ours - however we get to decide whether we want to carry on supporting the club with them in charge in the meantime.
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southshorepool Posted on 19/03/2017 19:57

I don't think that it actually matters.
My thoughts exactly middx.
The trouble will be if he doesn't win his case.
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TwelveAngryMen Posted on 19/03/2017 20:04

I don't think that it actually matters.
The Club is ' Dead Man Walking ' under their ownership
Not only have they alienated large swathes of the hardcore support but they now have serious competition north and south of them which they never had previously
You can downplay the impact of NAPM but the fact is if more adhered to it it would likely hasten their departure
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mexboroseasider Posted on 19/03/2017 20:29
Edited On: 19/03/2017 20:32
I don't think that it actually matters.
There's never any guarantee with litigation but I'm struggling to see how VB could lose. In the three cases that have been fought so far by fans who were legally represented (Stockport, TW and Steed) the O's have lost spectacularly. No disrespect to the legal advisers who acted for the triumphant fans but Clifford Chance are in an utterly different league from the professional but local firms they used. And to date I'm not aware of CC losing in any of the encounters with the O's: in either of the cases.

To me the club is there for VB if he wants it. The question is whether he does.

He says he does. And to date he's delivered on what he's promised. Including promotion to the PL.

So the message must be to stay strong. Hold firm. The resolution is close. And getting closer every day. [^]
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fixitian Posted on 19/03/2017 20:31

I don't think that it actually matters.
Mex is right re unestimating NAPM. Also added to that is the fact Owen will not like the thought of losing revenue. At the moment he still believes he can pull the fans back. When the penny drops, he'll cut his loss's double quick.
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hertfordseasider Posted on 19/03/2017 20:32

I don't think that it actually matters.
Hey Mex, do you mean 20 million with the 3 million loss plus the latest court costs and then this years loss without the summer case being factored in if VB wins? Because I thought Junes case would be at least 20 million plus costs without the other stuff or am I just being far too hopeful?
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TwelveAngryMen Posted on 19/03/2017 20:39

I don't think that it actually matters.
No one really knows Herts
One thing I'd say is I'm with Mex on the outcome If this S994 petition doesn't succeed it will be highly surprising and that won't come cheap
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mexboroseasider Posted on 19/03/2017 20:44

I don't think that it actually matters.
Herts. Well the Manchester case seemed to be 2m (to be determined) plus costs of 900k (to be determined) plus accountants fees connected with the forensic accounting.

If successful I'd expect the main case to be 20m upwards plus costs.

Total? Anyone's guess but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in the region of 30m plus.

By the year end.

So how badly do the O's want to keep a loss making club as NAPM really starts to bite deep? Are they ready to pay over cash rather than trying to do a deal involving the club and less cash?

And from this site alone we can see there's no guarantee fans will come back even if the O's decide to bite the bullet, pay the full whack and stay. NAGM may really be an excuse for moving on (as Bridgey is encouraging us to do).

Happily it isn't my problem.
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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 19/03/2017 20:49

I don't think that it actually matters.
Cheered me up That Mex[^]

The OP has a point though, we get dragged into stand-offs with fans with opposing views by keyboard sht stirrers.

This site is a Troll's paradise.
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Malkin Posted on 19/03/2017 22:25

I don't think that it actually matters.
I want more than anything for what Mexboro says to be correct. I do think VB wants the club. I feel like BST know a lot more than we do about his intentions.

I cannot wait to watch football again
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spell_chekker Posted on 19/03/2017 22:30

I don't think that it actually matters.
It would seem as though the O/P is urging fans to attend home games.

Strange and out of character for him.
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poultonbus Posted on 19/03/2017 22:30

I don't think that it actually matters.
So let's all get lazy "assume" VB wins & gets the club[:O]
What happens if he doesn't??!![sad]
#FalseComfortZone?!..Only Asking[rle]
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hertfordseasider Posted on 19/03/2017 22:35

I don't think that it actually matters.
Cheers Mex [^]

Say VB wins and it is the amounts you say, how long re they likely to get to pay it? Also, could we be waiting years for appeals?
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camberwell1 Posted on 19/03/2017 23:52

I don't think that it actually matters.
[^]
And loud round of applause Middxile - c u in the Royal Couts of (real) Justice

There's a rather good Wetherspoons just behind it if you'd like to join me in the public gallery and take some lunch

Cambers
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thefutureistangerine Posted on 20/03/2017 09:15

I don't think that it actually matters.
There are more than one reason for being napm. My reason is that I no longer wanted to feel cheated by liking vile fan hating people who have zero ambition other than to line their own pockets.

Add to that the protest vote regarding fans being sued. or just because you wish to toe the party line wrt the ethical boycott.

My reason cannot be lifted until they are gone regardless of league form or court cases. Only when they have left can my not a single penny more stance be relaxed.
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martonmosser Posted on 20/03/2017 10:47

I don't think that it actually matters.
NAPM is massive, why do you think the Hartlepool game is only 5 ? As for poolseasider asking whether the Os are stupid and will go in unprepared.........well I know what I think [;)]
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Chunkylad Posted on 20/03/2017 10:57

I don't think that it actually matters.
I have to concur with the more positive views on this thread.
The increase in the troll activity also shows they are worried in the extreme and looking to entrap where possible to gain any foothold.

Best case is that we are rid of them. Worse case for me is that they retain the club but are left with so little funds that it curtails their shennanigans until they finally find a reason to sell (maybe Owen passing?)
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insider Posted on 20/03/2017 11:05

I don't think that it actually matters.
I don't under-estimate NAPM and obviously it means the O's are having to use cash reserves. BUT I've always belived it will be other factors that persuade the O's to eventually go. For that to happen there has to be a buyer and those wannabe buyers are probably waiting for the outcome of the S994 case before showing their hand.
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hevster Posted on 20/03/2017 12:13

I don't think that it actually matters.
Agree with much of what the OP says. Every factor counts in the battle to get the club back from the Odious ones. Some are more significant of course, and a potential 20m+ court loss will motivate the Oyston clan more than anything. However I think any of us would be foolish to underestimate the impact NAPM brings.

Whilst the financial factor is probably smaller than a big loss in court NAPM still hurts the owners in the pocket. And, more importantly, the very public display of a near-empty ground at every home match, along with the continued protests, are very visible indications to the footballing world that something is rotten in the state of Blackpool.

Basically, I agree we are right to pin more hope on the court case(s) as motivators to get the Oystons out but NAPM has been and continues to be important and should not be stopped.
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Middxile Posted on 20/03/2017 13:52

I don't think that it actually matters.
In my O/P, I did not wish to give the impression that NAPM is not worth doing.
The only weapon that any supporters has is his...(well).....support ! If he withdraws it the effect is not immediate, but rather cumulative, and in isolation might take a few years to make a real difference.
If however, NAPM is already biting , a seismic bump in the Law Courts may hurry things along.
Blackpool Supporters present a Broad Church.
At one end of the spectrum...... NAPM.
At the other end, supporters who just want to go to watch, regardless of the quality, where their money is going, and how poor the fare they sample.
If the Government launched a "HEART and MINDS" initiative, to be followed by a referendum, they would be delighted with an 80% take-up. Praise, honours and even a Knighthood to the organiser.
NOBODY ever gets to 100% (NAPM supporters should realise that; we're all different)
The Family are now breathing but 20% of the oxygen to which they had become used. It has worked now for long enough for that damaging cumulative effect to kick in.
We await the seismic bump !
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BCpool Posted on 20/03/2017 16:28

I don't think that it actually matters.
I'm sorry but where are all these profitable companies that the Oyston's are running that could finance their losses? Estate Agents, Radio stations, magazines and wedding venues, I don't think so. Selling these are not going to meet the losses from the 2 court cases. So NAPM is going to have an effect have no doubt on that score. The only asset and bargaining chip they have is the club. The question is will this be enough to satisfy Mr Belekon?
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camberwell1 Posted on 20/03/2017 16:42

I don't think that it actually matters.
Chickens, homes and roosting !

Best wishes and c u all at Luton (NOT pay on the door) - we should collectively negociatevour own price deal with LTFC - yes?
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