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basilrobbiereborn Posted on 24/11/2009 10:43 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message

A frustrating day, as it felt like a missed opportunity overall. Having said that, for once we started pretty lethargically and were grateful to Gilkes for two fine saves in the first twenty minutes as Reading played direct and enterprising football. We did however work our way into the game and by half time had fashioned two clear chances, the second of which I thought was unlucky as BBB did the right thing in shooting across the keeper. He should have scored though. The second half started as the first had finished and it was a bit against the run of play when they eventually scored - again after we lost the ball deep in their defensive third. We got a quick and well-worked equaliser and at that stage I thought we looked the likeliest to go on and win. The winner was practically the only blemish on Gilkes' performance - he shouldn't have punched, and had he not done so we wouldn't have had to deal with the second cross. He did, we didn't and that was that. Even then we squandered a glut of chances at the end (three in injury time alone) and really should have come away with something. I'm frustrtaed because after the first twenty minutes Reading showed why they are struggling - they are a tentative shadow of the team we saw last season. I'm going to join in the Burgess debate to say that I'm struck - week after week after week - by how many supporters of other clubs see his attributes yet our own supporters seem not to. He is not a top class player, and never will be. But he is an effective and hard working leader of the line and deserves our backing. I thought he was possibly the pick of the bunch on Saturday, along with Gilkes (mostly) and Vaughan. It shows how high expectations are that we go to places like that and expect to get something these days. I'm not too worried about the away results - the performances generally speaking have been OK, but we do need to work on tucking in and tracking back when we lose the ball. Ideally, 4-3-3 should be capable of quickly becoming 4-5-1 when needed and that was something I thought we did well last season and are not doing as well this. Sorry to go on at such length without recourse to the expert radio commentary for help. I can't quite get the hang of it, somehow.
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Norfolk-In-Chance Posted on 24/11/2009 10:58 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I despair at times brrb. To have the termerity to put a report on this board of your opinion of how you thought the game went on saturday & then to freely admit that you didn't even use radio commentary to form the basis of this opinion . It also seems that you also failed to record teletext ,ceefax or Geoff shreeves on Sky sports saturday soccer special . Yet you still post this so called account of the proceedings and expect us to take it seriously. Rant over
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SLMike Posted on 24/11/2009 11:32 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Hi, I was at the game and pretty well agree with your account of how the game went. I was ashamed of a BFC fan with his young son sitting next to him, only to hear his father rant and rave at BBB when hitting the post. This almost caused a punch up within own camp. Lets keep our home form on track and just maybe BBB will deliver.
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jack_bfc Posted on 24/11/2009 11:36 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Get out from up Norfolk.. Cringeworthy. Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they were there or not!
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basilrobbiereborn Posted on 24/11/2009 11:38 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


"Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they were there or not!" maybe in your PC world Jack. But in mine, if you weren't there, then your opinion means jackshit (pun intended).
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20togo Posted on 24/11/2009 11:39 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Thanks for the report. It sounds very similar to last seasons match. Then they played us off the park for the first half hour but despite going down to ten man when Hendrie was sent off we in the end should have got a deserved point.
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jack_bfc Posted on 24/11/2009 11:43 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


That shows how narrow minded you are. I was there on saturday but according to some my opinion doesn,t count because it doesn,t agree with yours and Wizards.. Pathetic....
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 11:45 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 11:45 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


To be brutally honest, we could have got a point with those late chances, but that doesn't mean we deserved one. I thought we looked lethargic for much of the game and only Gilks kept us in it on a number of occasions. Baps was constantly being beaten for pace down the wing. I agree that the element of frustration comes about because we missed three relatively simple chances with Evatt, Clarke and Baptiste. What must they be thinking about the number of good chances they missed though? BTW The premise that a view from the radio is as valid as one from someone there is just silly.
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jack_bfc Posted on 24/11/2009 11:47 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Did I say it was 'as' valid.. Read, digest and understand before replying!
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 11:50 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


By expressing an opinion I'm guessing that you would consider it to be a valid one otherwise there is no point making it. I have no quibbles with you and I disagreeing over a viewpoint given we were both there. I do have an issue with having to justify debating points with people who were informed by a Radio Reading commentator or Alan McInally on Sky Sports.
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basilrobbiereborn Posted on 24/11/2009 11:51 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Jack not narrow minded. I just don't pander to the current vogue for insisting that everyone's view is valid, we are all special in our own way, blah, blah bloody blah. Actually, the world is worryingly full of XXXXXXwits these days, most of whom seem to know very little about anything (I'm straying much wider than an argument about football I know, but it helps to explain my opinion). You were there and saw it for yourself. So your viewpoint counts to me, even if different from my own. The views of those who weren't there or couldn't be bothered, yet still have a lot to say about certain players, are pretty much worthless, in my view. I don't expect to get an award for it.
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MrTangerineman Posted on 24/11/2009 11:52 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Maybe Wiz, and this is just a maybe, some people express views having listened to the radio, read the papers, heard what the manager has to say and after having read personal reports from people who were at the game. It's maybe called a balanced viewpoint rather than one that could be a personally biased from one observer at the match. That tends to smack of a supercilious superior attitude in some cases - not to mention any names here. That's not to condone the rubbish that some on here spout just after the game has finished, particularly re BBB.
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Norfolk-In-Chance Posted on 24/11/2009 11:54 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 11:58 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Not up anywhere Jack . Just sick of people spouting their Opinion as if it were as much a valid one as those that actually saw the game, when it quite clearly can't & never will be . Yes they can have an opinion ,of course, whats to stop them? but they shouldn't expect others to take them seriously , Surely. Edit to add: those that express their opinion from a point of view of being at the match have a though not always matching opinion but none-the-less equally valid one & sometimes even make me reconsider my overall take on the game.
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basilrobbiereborn Posted on 24/11/2009 11:56 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


MisterTangerineMan are you seriously saying that if I ask enough people, read enough reports and spend enough time watching Sky my opinion suddenly becomes as valid as that of the bloke who went and watched it for himself? If you are, I think your thinking is a bit.... muddled.
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MrTangerineman Posted on 24/11/2009 12:00 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 12:01 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Robbie are you thinking that (a) I should take as gospel/valid the views of one fan who was at the match slagging off BBB for instance or (b) one that was there who thought he was one of our best players? Muddled - not really. I would list in order of importance a personal "been there" viewpoint top of my list but like to get a more balanced view from all reports. Owt wrong with that or should I just believe everything you print?
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20togo Posted on 24/11/2009 12:05 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Wiz This is not a dig at Burgess and I wasn't there so didn't see his 'miss' but surely he should have been named in those who missed "relatively simple chances". Why did you omit him?
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 12:46 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Sounds like our problems are out wide. A midfield 3 of Adam, Southern and Vaighan is surely capable of coping with away games, and from what i've read it was down the flanks where we struggled. I expected as much cos McAnuff and Kebe are very dangerous players. Does this mean the two wide men are not doing their job effectively away from home? And is Baptiste not as quick as everyone seems to think he is?
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 12:48 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I was commenting on the three chances in injury time, as my original post refers to that. The one that hit the post in the first half should have been inside the post, as a relatively simple chance but is not relevant to the point I was making about nicking a point at the death.
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Born_in_the_Fifties Posted on 24/11/2009 12:50 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Some think Baps is a bread and butter player ...
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Bedfordseasider Posted on 24/11/2009 12:54 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Baps is No Roll-over but he kept getting caught out of position & the winger was getting a few yards start. In fact Vaugn tracked back & made a few vital late tackles to cover his arse.
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clappers Posted on 24/11/2009 12:57 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Exactly Bedford. The tactics away from home invite one on ones against both full backs far too often for my liking. Lets get the old Parkes away tactics dusted down and put back into action.
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thefutureistangerine Posted on 24/11/2009 13:02 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Ive always thought baps looks superb in the centre of defence, but uncomfortable at right back. When will Eardley be back anyone?
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 13:04 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


We have two wide men, home and away, who surley have a remit to defend as well as attack. What the funk is going on? We've had quite a few games to sort it out?
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 13:33 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Baps was sliced apart far too often because the midfield 3 were playing very narrow, while Euell and Ormerod didn't have the pace to get back, or if they did get back then the system left BB isolated. I said yesterday that I thought Vaughan coped best as cover but he couldn't be on both wings at once. I couldn't understand why, in the absence of both Bouazza and Demon that we didn't start with Clarke. Mind you, he doesn't track back either.
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20togo Posted on 24/11/2009 13:39 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


My view behind Holloways thinking, is that at home he can play Bouazza and Clarke out wide as they offer more going forward and the requirement to defend as often isn't as great. Away, he goes for the industry of Ormerod and Euell although on my away trips to date I've very rarely noticed Euell at all.
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 13:56 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


You can rely on 20s to be totally consistent anyway
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Kip_ Posted on 24/11/2009 13:58 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


The curse of the modern football manager is inflexibility. It's been obvious from the first half of the first game that the full-backs are exposed in this formation yet nothing has been tweaked. In industry, if something doesn't work you shift your focus and approach it differently - not endlessly try the same thing again and again. Its not a huge change.It doesn't need a complete return to 442 or a Public Declaration of Change Of Tactics from Holloway - it just needs minor adjustments in personnel and positioning. In a few weeks time we can probably revert back to 433. Saturday was frustrating because it was unnecessary.
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Bedfordseasider Posted on 24/11/2009 13:59 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


With the amount that you "barely notice" 20s are you sure you weren't the ref for the France V Ireland game.
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20togo Posted on 24/11/2009 14:21 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Beds I believe I used the words "rarely noticed" not "barely noticed." Big difference. After all, I rarely notice Euell in a game at all. To barely notice would suggest I missed something which of course I don't.
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 14:49 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


It must be frustrating Kip, cos the solution seems elementary to me. A manager should not watching on the touch line as our full backs get torn apart and doing nothing about it. If that is what's happening.
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straightatthewall Posted on 24/11/2009 14:59 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Very frustrating. Every game I've seen this season, I've said the same thing - 'we're TOO open'. I'm all for attacking football, but surely when you're away you don't have to be so all out attack? With the players we have, I think we could still win games, just by tightening it up a little bit. Surely that is worth compromising for?
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 15:01 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Today's Gazette has Holloway saying he's going to go into his office and give himself a good talking to, but ultimately he won't change his attacking principles. He thinks the team aren't attacking enough, letting the opposition run the game away from home, whereas at home we're right in their faces from the off. It's never dull at least.
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 15:13 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I like the attacking principles but they don't need to go out the window. Marking players when the opposition have possession is basic. The players just need to know who marks who. You especially don't leave the best attacking players with space to do whatever they want. I think Wigan's 9-1 drubbing may have woken Ollie up. Martinez being his inspiration etc.
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 15:19 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


While we haven't had the drubbings, we've had highs and lows. Wigan have lost 5-0 to Man U and 4-1 to us, while they've also beaten Chelsea 3-1. On our day we're a match for anybody, but on other days it doesn't click and we look wide open. Their first came from a gift of possession by us and the second was poor defending too. When we are going forward we are great to watch so I'm content, for now, to take the downside with it. We just need to be more consistent away like we have been at home.
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 15:28 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


On a simple level, Parkes seemed to have theaway tactics right and the home tactics wrong, and Ollie is the other way round. Can't Ollie just give Tony a call and use two systems, one home and one way? Is that such a bad idea?!!!
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fountain Posted on 24/11/2009 15:36 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


IH's tactics will be vindicated when he gets the players in he wants, and has a full available squad. It is looking likely that we won't be far away come the window, so that could trigger the Belokon Push. He's likely to bring in freshness this week as a start.
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mr_milo Posted on 24/11/2009 15:40 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Home: keep it as it is. Away: four-man midfield diamond, with Bangura in front of back four, Southern on right, Vaughan on left, Adam at head of diamond Up front: Burgess plus Bouazza, our fastest player. Bouazza to drop back and make five-man midfield if required. Simple.
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 15:42 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I don't think it's right or wrong. Of the nine away games, we've lost 4 and in every game when we've not won there were times when we thought we ewere going to win. We're not far off being as good away as we are at home. The question is, do you change it away, acknowledging that it's not working, or do you stick with it for it to come gloriously right? Tricky. Not sure what to make of it. I'd be tempted to go 442 away, to give the defence a bit more cover, but I can understand why he wants the opposition to worry about us rather than the other way round.
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Kip_ Posted on 24/11/2009 15:45 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


In the first minute McAnuff got the ball, turned Baptiste inside out 3 times and put in a good cross. As a manager, it seems you can have two responses to this: 1) shout at Baptiste to pull his socks up or 2) give him help to deal with the problem. If I was the full-back I know which Id prefer. The confidence gained from that first few minutes carried the winger through the entire game. Both their goals came from crosses from the left. And it was right in front of the noisiest section of home support so they got going and the rest of the stadium followed. All it needed was Ormerod to pull back 5 yards and think first about defending the winger rather than going forwards. Yes, we would lose some attacking potential for 20 mins or so but, over the 90 mins, would that have been a big deal? Reading were easily frustated and their passing soon went awry when under pressure so we should have tried to frustrate them first and then get forward later when there's more space. Slightly disturbed that Holloway's response is to try and attack more - you can't attack if you don't have the ball Ian.
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 15:45 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I'm not sure his tactics will be vindicated, if we play narrow away from home, and no-one bothers to pick up anybody in wide positions. When you have the ball you attack, when you don't you defend. And close the space down.
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basilrobbiereborn Posted on 24/11/2009 15:47 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I've always thought 4-4-2 suited our players best because they are more familiar with it. But the fluidity of movement in home games has been excellent and you can see why the manager wants to play the way he does. So I'd leave that well alone. Away from home I think the key is the two wide players in each of the two 3's and how well they can cover back when we don't have the ball. As Wiz says, we have not been far away from getting results in all the matches we have lost and I'd argue that in those only at Bristol City did I think we were consistently second best - and we even had our moments there. I think I'd consider starting with GTF away from home and asking him to link the front three with the middle three. It might help Southern in that he might have to do less work.
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Wizaard Posted on 24/11/2009 15:47 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


It relies on pace to get back and defend, pace we have when Bouazza and Demon are playing, not so when Euell and Ormerod are the wide men.
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fountain Posted on 24/11/2009 15:49 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I trust the tactic. The problem I can see is a lack of pace, in attack and defending. For a start the main striker has to work very hard getting across the pitch, closing down to delay the ball out and therefore giving time for the team to get in shape. The wide palyers have to have the pace and work ethic to get back and cover. When we have that we'll get results.
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20togo Posted on 24/11/2009 15:53 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 15:55 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Alot of theories being put on here. Here's another. These are professional footballers. They have mouthes. They use them to talk. If Baps is being over-run, then it's down to him to bawl, shout or whatever to either the manager or the captain or some-one else to help cover the space that their winger was being afforded. I don't simply believe he kept his gob shut and was happy to carry on getting skinned. No matter how it looked to the fans.
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Kip_ Posted on 24/11/2009 16:00 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


This was discussed on the way back 20s. If it was a Sunday morning I dare say some intelligent players would drop back and plug the gap but I get the impression that professional football is so regimented that players are wary of going outside The Shape in case they get bawled out by the manager and potentially dropped. Appearance money will take a fair amount of wages. Re fountain, I don't think its a lack of pace, more position. Baptiste isn't slow and MacAnuff is a good player. Sometimes you just have to accept the pressure's on and react accordingly.
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voyeur Posted on 24/11/2009 16:01 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 16:10 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


That's true 20s but also the team has a set of instructions from the manager, and a formation and personnel chosen by him to perform the duties he details. Is the problem being caused by the tactics, or the personnel? That's the key question. I suspect both to a certain extent. Ormerod and Euell are not the ideal wide men, they are both old and out of position. But would the right players completely resolve the issue? Not sure. GTF is better suited than Brett. Bouazza is more of an attacking threat than Euell, but seems weak defensively. I Wasn't at the game, and thus have no right to comment, but I would hazard a guess that the deployment of Ormerod and Euell in wide positions was the reason for the defeat. I would have played Clarke on the left, given the absence of Bouazza, and GTF on the right.
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fountain Posted on 24/11/2009 16:08 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Pace is involved I think. With Ormerod- he's not quick enough to make it from a front 3 (or close to) to come back and cover. That means someone else has to shift across and back and the shape is lost completely. When we lose possession up front, you want a mobile quick striker who'll close down the defenders and prevent early ball catching us out. If we don't have players who can cover what they are supposed to, then we should have gone 4-2-3-1(exaggeration)/4-5-1 with never the notion of the wide players making a 3 up top. But I think he's sticking with his idea because new players capable of the workload will come and slot straight in.
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straightatthewall Posted on 24/11/2009 16:18 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Irrespective of whether you have attacking principles or not, consistently exposing a full back to a winger who has a clear run at him CANNOT be a good tactic. A basic principle of defending is to work together in pairs whenever you can. This becomes doubly important away from home, when you're likely to come under more pressure. All teams - Brazil, Spain, Swansea, whoever - work really hard off the ball to get it back. It isn't considered good to not track back and put in your shift. If the players available don't fit the system, then you pick the best X1 and change the system to best suit the players at your disposal. IMO.
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GarstangTaxiService Posted on 24/11/2009 17:08 belated reflections on Saturday	Edited On: 24/11/2009 17:15 Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


GTF is the key here. He's put in some fantastic performances away from home over the last two years, admittedly as well as some mediocre ones. I read an interview with him a while ago where he said he could play anywhere but he had most success at Huddersfield playing in front of the defence, where he popped up with a number of goals and they won 8 out of 10. I always thought that his favoured position was playing in front of the midfield but this makes sense to me. He did go on a nice little mini run of goals before he got injured but I'd like to see him deployed differently in a more defensive role and see us utilise the pace of BC, HB and Demon. I don't see why we should save this for home games as I've been away several times this season and thought we're missing it. He could even be a Gregan type player for us [Nob End 10 years ago] or Alexander [Burnley now]. Look at the improvement in Vaughan since removing him from his "natural" position. As for the "You weren't at the game" people, Burgess has played what must be 100 games for Blackpool, not just the last game [at Reading in this case] and most of us will have seen enough of him to form an opinion. People who shout personal abuse at players are probably retards whether they go to every game or just one.
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Bedfordseasider Posted on 24/11/2009 17:12 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Agree GTS . GTFs work rate is much missed esp[ecially away from home.
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fountain Posted on 24/11/2009 17:20 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Most of his goals are scored when he drifts in and either hangs back, or get in front of the last defender. To score in that way, would mean him playing wide right, and then he won't get picked. As a stop-gap he could replace Euell if JE was in the centre, but he only ever gets moved there after being played, wrongly, wide. I honestly don't see where GTF will fit in the starting 11- possibly he should (be) put forward as direct competition for BB. Again though same problem....
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southshorepool Posted on 24/11/2009 18:23 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Away from home, we've picked up 7 points from a possible 27 and only won one. According to the press interviews, the manager is quoted as saying "Last year we played 4 4 2 and ground out results." Yes, Ian, results that effectively kept us up. To me, it's not rocket science. 4 3 3 is ok if there's mobility up front and we can quickly revert to a 4 5 1 when on the defensive. With Euell, Burgess and Ormerod, we're sadly lacking in pace if not endeavour. On Saturday I wouldn't have taken off Southern for a start but there you go. We need a bit of pace (Clarke, Bouazza if we're going to persist with the current formation) and a instill a willingness to track back. I'd also drop Seip for the PKE game, put Baptiste at centre half and bring Eardley back.
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camberwell1 Posted on 24/11/2009 19:03 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Rob thanks for the post. I'm the little pip squek you pointed out to a few on Sat ! Again you sum most of it up perfectly. I'll add what I said to another thread and I think Wizard used the magic word ......pace. We play a different way this season and I wont criticize the team or the manager for that - to be honest its different and wonderful but it isn't getting us the results Tony parkes and Tommo were but I think that other little word luck has had a hand in that too. The one thing I liked about Reading was their fearless pacey running at their opponent and the baptiste v McAnuff and boy what a contest the Reading winger coming out on top. Remember Baps hammering the ball out early on after getting skinned. To be honest that was the only difference between the two sides - we have no pace going forward or backwards and they did. Nothing much wrong with that except if you do what Southern did with tough or the passing isn't just quite there you are pressed back and hard too. I bet Baps calves are stil aching this morning ! I'm not worried we'll come good away soon enough - just let the oppo's dip in performance and if we play as we can pretty well we'll hammer someone soon (I hope). Credit to the fans in not the best conditions ans especially the lass from Watership Down Carlisle - good numbers and another super sports day out (with some of you guys). Good to see Basil so bouyant and thriving too later Camberwell
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southshorepool Posted on 24/11/2009 19:05 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


The point we were ALL making on Saturday is that his bloody ego's mahusive enough as it is. (smiley)
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camberwell1 Posted on 24/11/2009 19:34 belated reflections on Saturday	Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Not a bad thing lad - must be a Fleetwood thing !
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